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hey guys Ryan sprek here before we get

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to this week's Halloween series finale

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of somewhere in the skies I have one

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last listener story to share with you

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this comes to us from Luke who witnessed

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along with several others firsthand a

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genuine demon possession have a listen

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hey Ryan my name is Luke and I want to

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tell a story about demon possession I'm

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going to go ahead and read something I

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wrote for it just because I want to try

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to keep the story concise for everybody

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to understand it so here goes the story

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I want to share is about a small town

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where I went to high school it happened

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in the fall of 1999 my senior year and

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deals with demon possession naturally

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when one goes to a small school 300

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students to be exact

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everyone knows each other and whether or

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not you're close friends you feel close

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I knew a for quite some time she was

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also a senior funny sometimes aloof and

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unfortunately had a rather unstable home

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life her sister was adopted and that

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caused a chronic rivalry between the two

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they lived in a gorgeous house on the

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water

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their parents workaholics and alcoholics

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and never around

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and if around fighting things got bad I

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know this because they started attending

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the youth group I went to once a week it

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was a close group of friends all of us

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genuine seekers lacking pretension not

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there to beat people over the head with

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a Bible just genuinely intrigued with

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the supernatural and facets of the

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higher powers we called God in Jesus

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that's a story for another time as very

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incredible things started to happen

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things that dumbfounded even the

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occultist healers around town as things

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got bad a sought answers she was

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interested in God and even Jesus but was

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still kind of testing whether she felt

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she could put her faith in them she was

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a busty girl like I said funny and

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sometimes even gruff though with her

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gruff demeanor a higher more naturally

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feminine voice which was an ironic

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package during this time things bad with

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her sister her parents fighting AIDS

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allegations of familiar abuse both

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physical and mental

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she started dabbling with the Ouija

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board in other occultic ways of

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experienced she started encountering so

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frightening things because of this doors

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selfs lights turning on footsteps

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tormenting nightmares a stated at times

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she'd wake in the middle of the night

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and feel something sitting on her chest

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friends with a and though she didn't

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fully jive the youth groups theology she

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had a deep love and appreciation for the

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community she had become a part of one

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night I'd say at least a solid month

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after she started having these freaky

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things happen at her home all of us were

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taking turns praying one of us I don't

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remember who prayed that the scary

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things would stop at her house as he or

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she was praying they opened her eyes and

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they rolled back and she started

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praying it sounded like a dog an angry

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these moments she'd come to and beg us

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stating it felt like she was trapped

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inside herself but then she'd go back

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two of our largest friends naturally she

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demanded a come back to the surface long

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enough for us to talk with her she came

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back scared sounded like someone

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her we could take her in a car and pray

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for her to give her the privacy needed

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in the car her abdomen started rolling

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that's the only way I can describe it

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like the deep ocean on a glassy day the

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way it rolls softly it was unlike

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anything I've ever seen someone do with

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their abdomen and the demon started

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talking it had a guttural voice a deep

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voice that came from her throat or chest

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a voice a cannot have made nor mastered

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from as we anointed a with oil and

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prayed her body would jerk violently

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car too sharply almost swerve from our

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touch and then a would stop and come

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back and ask us for help but then sink

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and sad and wanted to help a so he did a

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brave brave thing I don't necessarily

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recommend but may at times be necessary

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he addressed the demon directly asked

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its name and why it was there it told

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him abuse Ouija board dabbling with the

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occult ik practices that can 100%

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confirm also that demons have names

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it's named for eeeh that name still

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gives me shivers at this point it seems

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like something weakened though we prayed

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and asked it to go and with one violent

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shake shake like I've never seen someone

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do before it left an eerie emerged teary

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afraid but lighter feeling I haven't

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seen a since we graduated June of 2000

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and I hope she's doing well and has not

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been bothered by anything again thanks

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Ryan I hope you guys all got something

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from that retelling if you have any

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questions you know where to find me talk

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to you guys later and have a good

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Halloween Wow so okay despite your

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religious beliefs or stance on

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whatever Luke experience that day must

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have truly been terrifying we can only

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hope that the girl in question was able

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to rid of whatever seemed to consume her

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that unfortunate day and thank you so

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much to Luke for sharing this deeply

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compelling and personal account it left

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me with visible chills this is the last

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episode in the month of October and a

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perfect end to our Halloween series of

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listener stories and special guests next

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week we dive right back into UFOs I hope

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all of you have a wonderful Halloween

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welcome to somewhere in the skies I'm

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your host Ryan sprig imagine sitting in

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your living room one night reading a

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book you begin to doze off the strain of

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the day slowly fading away as your eyes

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closed

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suddenly a harsh knock on the front door

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springs you to full attention it's so

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late you think to yourself how could it

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possibly be

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you make way to the door and peer of the

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people there's a dark silhouette of a

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small figure in your distorted view you

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assuming this is a child and you're

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right but what you notice next makes

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this anything but a normal encounter

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with an adolescent staring back at you

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are two eyes but they aren't the average

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iris pupil or scelera that you're used

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to seeing they are pure black from lid

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to lid nothing but the moon bounces

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light off of these deep pools of

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nothingness shudder trying to take in

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this unusual sight before you and that's

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when you realize that standing behind

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this child are two more figures they

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slowly move forward their eyes identical

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to this leader they wear simple clothes

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perhaps a solid black hooded sweatshirt

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it falls baggy over their unusually pale

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skin the leader finally speaks can we

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come in you stare at them dumbfounded

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why would you let a child into your home

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this late at night where are their

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parents they somehow answer you with

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blunt desertion we're lost we don't have

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anywhere to go please let us come in

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you're sweating you tremble adrenaline

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courses through your veins as you take

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stock of the situation they continue

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staring at you with their soulless eyes

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the debate rages in your head of whether

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or not to slam the door on them or let

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them inside I mean after all

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just kids aren't they as the debate

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rages on you can feel your heart's

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pounding harder than ever before

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something about this situation is not

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only unusual it's downright terrifying

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please let us sing no matter what you do

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next it feels like it's the wrong answer

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you are left in your doorway having just

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encountered what has been coined as an

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experience with the black-eyed kids this

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phenomenon spans continents and with

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each passing encounter these strange

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children seem to become more and more

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aggressive

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but what exactly is it that they want

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and what happens if you let them in

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while once thought to stem from online

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urban legend the black-eyed kids became

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a dark and disturbing sensation stories

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cropping up all over the world

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recounting terrifying tales of the

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children and their devious pleads for

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car rides or invites into homes

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it was now harder than ever to separate

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fact from fiction the black-eyed kids

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soon falling into the same skeptical box

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as Slenderman and other legends thought

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to be created online and it all seemed

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to have begun with a singular encounter

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that sparked an entire phenomenon but as

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you'll hear today this seems to be

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anything but urban legend today I speak

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with the man who ignited that spark and

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ultimately exposed what would be known

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as the black-eyed kids Brian Bethel is a

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professional writer living in Texas he

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is known as the first witness to ever

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fully detail an encounter with the

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black-eyed kids when his written

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statement was leaked at the advent of

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the Internet and subsequently went viral

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today we talk all about his harrowing

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experience and what has happened since

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that terrifying night so without further

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ado here's my conversation with Brian

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Bethel guys thank you for joining me

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today at this point everyone has heard

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of the black-eyed kids whether it's in

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movies television YouTube online forums

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or now even in comic-book form so what

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people may not know

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just when and how the entire black-eyed

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kids phenomenon really came to light and

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encounter by yourself Brian's so I'd

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love to really attack this from the

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get-go and was wondering if you could

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basically just run us through what

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happened that night

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well here's the thing it was a pretty

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mundane evening and this is back in the

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early days of the internet with dial-up

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internet and also electronic bill pay

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and such like that was in common either

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so I was going analogue here and taking

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a check to my internet provider which

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was on North first in Abilene Texas and

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so I went there and there's a used to be

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first-run theater now it's actually a

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well for a while it was the second run

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theater kind of a dollar theatre and now

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it's being closed and renovated by a

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church so that's interesting yeah so I

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was using the light of the theater

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marquee I'd driven there and was easing

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the light of the marquee to write my

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check and it was just about finished I

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was gonna put it in this drop slot that

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they had and all of a sudden I hear this

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knock on my window and I look over and

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there are these two boys probably about

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the age of nine to twelve and wearing

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pullover hoodies and jeans really kind

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of nothing untoward about them

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immediately one of them as sort of olive

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complected skin still a little pale and

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curly hair kind of a mousy brown he's

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the he's the guy referred to in the

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story as the spokesman and then there's

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another kid in the back and he is pale

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skin freckles red hair you know they

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they start talking I cracked the window

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a bit I think okay they're probably

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gonna hit me up for money and the

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spokesman as I refer to him says hey

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mister we we forgot our money we want to

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see the movie but we left our money at

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home can you take us to our mom's house

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and we'll get our money and then we'll

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we'll come right back in and and that'll

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be all we need

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it's not far away we just need a ride

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and you know that sounds kind of

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reasonable I mean kids do do things like

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that although it's kind of strange for

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them to approach someone they don't know

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to necessarily ask this but I mean I'm

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there and available I guess and so but

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immediately there's this fear response

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this this just absolute terror at the

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idea of even being near this pair of

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kids it's completely inexplicable I

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don't understand it I can't even begin

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to comprehend where it's coming from and

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and yet there is and it's palpable and

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it's terrible I I just find myself

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absolutely in utter fear and and to some

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degree even all of these two kids and it

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doesn't make any sense at all but it's

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there and so I try to rationalize this

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or catch my breath or whatever and then

342
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say you know well yeah I don't know

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about that I'm just here to do this this

344
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one thing and sort of leave and I don't

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know where you live exactly and all that

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sort of thing like that and you know

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just kind of trying to feel this

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situation out because there's just

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something wrong with it and so finally

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the the spokesman I guess kind of starts

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to get a little irritated you know he

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keeps he's kept going on you know look

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man it's not far away all that sort of

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thing and then I could tell he's

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starting to get a little irritated and

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then he says and I'll always remember

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this and the look mister we're just two

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little kids we don't have a gun or

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anything which is not comforting I mean

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I I mean I I don't know if that was

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meant to be comforting or threatened

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anger

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or what but that is not a comforting

364
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thing for someone to say and so at that

365
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point this fear has just mounted to an

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absolute fever pitch and I cannot

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understand why and so I I think okay

368
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we've got to apply some logic here so I

369
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asked them what movie are you guys

370
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planning to see and they say we're going

371
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to see Mortal Kombat mm okay and so this

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place is it in time of course but I had

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already looked at the theater marquee

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and I knew that that was showing and so

375
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I asked them okay well what show are you

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guys wanting to see and I look up at the

377
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marquee and I see that you know it

378
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starts at 9:30 I think it was and I

379
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looked down at my clock in my car and

380
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it's already somewhere around 9:50 or so

381
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and so by the time I take these kids

382
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anywhere and bring them back give me a

383
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town the size of Abilene where if you

384
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get pretty much anywhere in 15 minutes

385
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there they're gonna miss a tremendous

386
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part of this movie I mean there's no

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reason for them to even try to see it at

388
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this point and so understanding that I I

389
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look over at them and this is where I

390
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guess it all happens and I don't

391
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understand why I've tried to figure out

392
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why I don't know if it was just simply

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breaking their gaze or the looking away

394
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or or what happened exactly but I look

395
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over and I see this pair standing there

396
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and I finally notice what's wrong what's

397
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been tickling at the back of my brain to

398
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make me so frightened of this and it's

399
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their eyes and they're just black just

400
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absolutely totally coal black but

401
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reflective of course and could actually

402
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see the the the theater light reflected

403
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in them

404
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but here's the thing I mean that would

405
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be extremely disturbing okay but it's

406
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it's what I saw

407
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in them or rather what I didn't see in

408
00:18:11,450 --> 00:18:09,700
them that I found to be just the thing

409
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that pushed me over the edge because

410
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when you look in someone's eyes you can

411
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see kind of and trip gonna try to not

412
00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:19,450
get to men a physical here but I mean

413
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you can see the thing inside of them

414
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that animates them and gives them life

415
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and light beside under those eyes and

416
00:18:34,850 --> 00:18:32,200
whatnot and I looked into the eyes of

417
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these kids and I couldn't see anything

418
00:18:42,810 --> 00:18:37,780
it was looking it was like looking into

419
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a void it was like a fragment of space

420
00:18:48,810 --> 00:18:46,270
without any stars it and there was

421
00:18:54,390 --> 00:18:48,820
nothing in there there was absolutely no

422
00:18:57,450 --> 00:18:54,400
light reflected back at all and so at

423
00:19:02,580 --> 00:18:57,460
that point I just go into a complete

424
00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:02,590
panic and I know that my intuition has

425
00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:06,250
been serving me and I feel immediate

426
00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:08,530
fight-or-flight response and I have to

427
00:19:14,190 --> 00:19:10,060
get out of there I have to get away from

428
00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:14,200
them and so I I tell them look I'm sorry

429
00:19:19,710 --> 00:19:16,390
I just remembered something I can't do

430
00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:19,720
it I hope you guys find a ride you know

431
00:19:22,860 --> 00:19:21,190
really sorry about this kind of

432
00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:22,870
stammering at all that sort of thing and

433
00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:25,120
I know at this point that I'm not hiding

434
00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:26,050
anything

435
00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:29,350
at that point and so I roll up the

436
00:19:34,770 --> 00:19:32,170
window as fast as I can and about the

437
00:19:36,780 --> 00:19:34,780
time I get it rolled up the spokesman

438
00:19:38,670 --> 00:19:36,790
and keeping in mind that the kid in the

439
00:19:41,070 --> 00:19:38,680
back never says anything throughout this

440
00:19:44,430 --> 00:19:41,080
entire encounter starts slamming on the

441
00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:44,440
window just absolutely beating on it and

442
00:19:50,220 --> 00:19:47,530
he is furious yeah I can tell he's just

443
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:50,230
absolutely furious so the kid in the

444
00:19:55,980 --> 00:19:52,810
back actually has this what the hell is

445
00:19:57,870 --> 00:19:55,990
going on kind of expression and you know

446
00:20:00,270 --> 00:19:57,880
it's like this is not the way this is

447
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:00,280
supposed to go almost just the way I've

448
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:02,530
interpreted it but the kid in the front

449
00:20:06,990 --> 00:20:04,330
just absolutely just starts hammering on

450
00:20:08,790 --> 00:20:07,000
the window I will never forget this I

451
00:20:09,870 --> 00:20:08,800
mean this is burned into my brain and

452
00:20:12,810 --> 00:20:09,880
forever

453
00:20:15,780 --> 00:20:12,820
what he says and he says mister we can't

454
00:20:16,890 --> 00:20:15,790
come inside your car unless you tell us

455
00:20:17,670 --> 00:20:16,900
it's okay

456
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:17,680
let

457
00:20:24,930 --> 00:20:21,010
us in and at that point I mean I'm just

458
00:20:26,730 --> 00:20:24,940
I'm just gone okay I mean I throw this

459
00:20:29,370 --> 00:20:26,740
throw the car into reverse

460
00:20:31,500 --> 00:20:29,380
I get out of there as quickly as I can

461
00:20:33,390 --> 00:20:31,510
before I get out onto the street I steal

462
00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:33,400
a glance into my rearview mirror and

463
00:20:37,170 --> 00:20:34,480
they're gone

464
00:20:39,150 --> 00:20:37,180
they're just absolutely gone there

465
00:20:41,310 --> 00:20:39,160
they're not there and the way that this

466
00:20:42,630 --> 00:20:41,320
parking lot is designed there's no way

467
00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:42,640
they could have run neither left nor

468
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right and and there weren't enough cars

469
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,170
there even where they could have I think

470
00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:49,120
successfully hidden behind one or

471
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anything like that in that extremely

472
00:20:58,230 --> 00:20:54,720
short time between my parking space and

473
00:21:01,680 --> 00:20:58,240
getting on to the road and I remember

474
00:21:05,250 --> 00:21:01,690
driving back as fast as I possibly can

475
00:21:09,050 --> 00:21:05,260
is just just this huge blur of a fear

476
00:21:12,510 --> 00:21:09,060
and and self-preservation almost and I

477
00:21:15,900 --> 00:21:12,520
get to I get to my apartment I

478
00:21:18,990 --> 00:21:15,910
I literally run from my car to the

479
00:21:22,620 --> 00:21:19,000
apartment door jangle my keys get inside

480
00:21:26,340 --> 00:21:22,630
locked the door and literally just kind

481
00:21:29,130 --> 00:21:26,350
of collapse under the floor I mean just

482
00:21:32,550 --> 00:21:29,140
absolutely terrified and out of breath

483
00:21:36,180 --> 00:21:32,560
and my mind reeling at what I've seen

484
00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:36,190
and not understanding it and finally I

485
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:38,530
calmed down and I give a friend to call

486
00:21:43,830 --> 00:21:41,290
and talk about the the experience and

487
00:21:46,110 --> 00:21:43,840
this is kind of the I guess that if

488
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:46,120
there's a Twilight Zone twist ending I

489
00:21:50,460 --> 00:21:48,250
guess this is sort of where it comes in

490
00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:50,470
he was kind of hanging out with a girl

491
00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:52,690
at that point who proclaimed to have

492
00:21:57,780 --> 00:21:54,850
some sort of psychic ability or whatever

493
00:22:00,180 --> 00:21:57,790
and he put it on speakerphone so they

494
00:22:01,650 --> 00:22:00,190
could hear the story as I was relating

495
00:22:04,380 --> 00:22:01,660
it this is an old friend of mine from

496
00:22:07,500 --> 00:22:04,390
college who's open to different things

497
00:22:09,390 --> 00:22:07,510
and the girl stops and she said well

498
00:22:11,370 --> 00:22:09,400
wait a minute did these did these kids

499
00:22:13,950 --> 00:22:11,380
and this is way before I even get to

500
00:22:16,620 --> 00:22:13,960
that point have all black eyes and I say

501
00:22:18,750 --> 00:22:16,630
yes and she says well it's a good thing

502
00:22:20,120 --> 00:22:18,760
you didn't let them into your car you

503
00:22:24,210 --> 00:22:20,130
would have been killed

504
00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:24,220
Wow so I mean right there and it just

505
00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:27,440
shows that whatever this

506
00:22:33,249 --> 00:22:29,870
or whatever these kids are like this has

507
00:22:35,590 --> 00:22:33,259
been happening long you know possibly

508
00:22:38,049 --> 00:22:35,600
longer before your incident clearly

509
00:22:41,350 --> 00:22:38,059
which will definitely get into but sure

510
00:22:44,499 --> 00:22:41,360
oh that that's terrifying and the idea

511
00:22:47,350 --> 00:22:44,509
that this friend knew of the threat that

512
00:22:49,299 --> 00:22:47,360
these children pose I can't even imagine

513
00:22:52,180 --> 00:22:49,309
like what you were going through after

514
00:22:54,399 --> 00:22:52,190
having this kind of cooperation that

515
00:22:57,399 --> 00:22:54,409
this is a real true phenomenon what you

516
00:23:00,039 --> 00:22:57,409
saw was clearly not who's Satori this

517
00:23:02,230 --> 00:23:00,049
was not something that like you you made

518
00:23:04,990 --> 00:23:02,240
up in the moment or was possibly a prank

519
00:23:06,789 --> 00:23:05,000
by these kids which a lot of skeptics

520
00:23:11,039 --> 00:23:06,799
like to throw in there which again we

521
00:23:14,860 --> 00:23:11,049
will get to after you got home you

522
00:23:17,470 --> 00:23:14,870
recall this to a few friends I know that

523
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:17,480
you recounted this in written form now

524
00:23:22,810 --> 00:23:20,450
this is another big part of your story

525
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:22,820
and how this all got out so I would

526
00:23:27,999 --> 00:23:25,730
absolutely love if if you could explain

527
00:23:30,310 --> 00:23:28,009
to us how your story got out to the

528
00:23:32,499 --> 00:23:30,320
public how it went viral could you sort

529
00:23:36,009 --> 00:23:32,509
of run us through this second part of it

530
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:36,019
certainly yeah we back then of course

531
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:38,210
the web was a bit more primitive than it

532
00:23:44,710 --> 00:23:41,299
is now and I was a frequent kind of

533
00:23:48,009 --> 00:23:44,720
reader of what was called Usenet which

534
00:23:49,570 --> 00:23:48,019
is I guess if I had to describe it it

535
00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:49,580
was sort of a threaded message

536
00:23:55,210 --> 00:23:53,179
conversation sort of thing kind of kind

537
00:23:59,710 --> 00:23:55,220
of like reddit but not like reddit I

538
00:24:02,950 --> 00:23:59,720
guess in a way and I was also a member

539
00:24:06,490 --> 00:24:02,960
of several email list serves just kind

540
00:24:08,019 --> 00:24:06,500
of devoted to different topics and one

541
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,029
of those because of a previous

542
00:24:13,419 --> 00:24:10,159
experience and previous interest that

543
00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:13,429
I'd had in that arena was devoted to go

544
00:24:20,950 --> 00:24:17,690
stories and I kind of this was a very

545
00:24:23,799 --> 00:24:20,960
small listserv I mean and so the feeling

546
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:23,809
was almost kind of a more of a small

547
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:26,450
family than just a bunch of anonymous

548
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:28,610
strangers after we've been talking for

549
00:24:33,999 --> 00:24:29,330
quite some time

550
00:24:37,330 --> 00:24:34,009
and so I I kind of had been hauled about

551
00:24:40,810 --> 00:24:37,340
this and I mentioned a little bit about

552
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:40,820
it earlier and finally I decide

553
00:24:48,460 --> 00:24:44,360
I you know I'm just going to I'm just

554
00:24:50,860 --> 00:24:48,470
going to write about this and kind of

555
00:24:53,590 --> 00:24:50,870
share this with the these individual

556
00:24:57,940 --> 00:24:53,600
people and I know that they're not going

557
00:25:00,789 --> 00:24:57,950
to look at me askance they've talked to

558
00:25:03,070 --> 00:25:00,799
me about this kind of a little bit

559
00:25:05,499 --> 00:25:03,080
already and I want to just give everyone

560
00:25:07,810 --> 00:25:05,509
the full story and then we can have a

561
00:25:10,060 --> 00:25:07,820
discussion about it and tried to think

562
00:25:13,899 --> 00:25:10,070
about what they were and and that and

563
00:25:18,669 --> 00:25:13,909
that sort of thing and so I waited a

564
00:25:22,389 --> 00:25:18,679
while the actual post didn't get sent I

565
00:25:25,779 --> 00:25:22,399
think until around July or August of 97

566
00:25:29,769 --> 00:25:25,789
and yeah but I remembered everything

567
00:25:33,639 --> 00:25:29,779
I mean explicitly so I I sat down and I

568
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:33,649
wrote this over just a couple days and

569
00:25:37,869 --> 00:25:35,929
just sort of looked at it and made sure

570
00:25:40,990 --> 00:25:37,879
it was to my satisfaction and then I

571
00:25:44,259 --> 00:25:41,000
sent it along and caused a lot of avid

572
00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:44,269
discussion on that and then they said

573
00:25:50,919 --> 00:25:47,210
that we you should you should can maybe

574
00:25:56,409 --> 00:25:50,929
share this on the we a lot of us posted

575
00:25:59,769 --> 00:25:56,419
on the folklore ghost stories Usenet

576
00:26:03,490 --> 00:25:59,779
category and so I said fine and so I

577
00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:03,500
posted that and some time later and from

578
00:26:10,090 --> 00:26:07,279
there is apparently where it kind of

579
00:26:13,419 --> 00:26:10,100
began to propagate this was originally

580
00:26:15,610 --> 00:26:13,429
supposed to be just for a very small and

581
00:26:17,769 --> 00:26:15,620
select group of people who then kind of

582
00:26:20,740 --> 00:26:17,779
encouraged me to share it with a wider

583
00:26:26,289 --> 00:26:20,750
group of people and now it's almost

584
00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:26,299
completely out of my control but and and

585
00:26:31,810 --> 00:26:28,370
so that the reason that I wrote it is

586
00:26:35,019 --> 00:26:31,820
because well professionally I'm a writer

587
00:26:37,210 --> 00:26:35,029
and that's how I express myself that's

588
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:37,220
how I feel I expressed myself best and

589
00:26:43,990 --> 00:26:39,860
I'm one of these people who would write

590
00:26:46,690 --> 00:26:44,000
even if I wasn't paid to do it I often

591
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:46,700
do actually I sit down and just sort of

592
00:26:51,650 --> 00:26:49,730
write things to clear my thoughts and

593
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:51,660
whatnot in and

594
00:26:55,970 --> 00:26:53,730
often writing is kind of a cathartic

595
00:26:58,549 --> 00:26:55,980
thing for me it's--it's I think it's

596
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:58,559
kind of a an almost sacred thing in a

597
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:02,460
way and so I so I put this down and

598
00:27:10,180 --> 00:27:05,490
shared it with these people and it got

599
00:27:11,500 --> 00:27:10,190
out and boy howdy did it get out because

600
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:11,510
[Laughter]

601
00:27:17,510 --> 00:27:14,010
even in the early days of the internet

602
00:27:19,789 --> 00:27:17,520
things still went viral right and we

603
00:27:22,360 --> 00:27:19,799
didn't really have that terminology for

604
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:22,370
it but but this is but that's exactly

605
00:27:28,810 --> 00:27:25,440
what happened with it and to my surprise

606
00:27:32,659 --> 00:27:28,820
I started getting almost immediately

607
00:27:35,630 --> 00:27:32,669
email feedback and other discussion on

608
00:27:38,210 --> 00:27:35,640
this with people who were curious of

609
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:38,220
course and and tend to ask the same five

610
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:42,090
questions or so but then there were

611
00:27:47,750 --> 00:27:44,730
people who started to say not only you

612
00:27:50,299 --> 00:27:47,760
know I believe you or what else happened

613
00:27:52,399 --> 00:27:50,309
or what have you there were people who

614
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:52,409
started writing back and saying I saw

615
00:27:57,620 --> 00:27:55,080
these things too and that was actually

616
00:27:59,630 --> 00:27:57,630
not something I was expecting to be

617
00:28:02,590 --> 00:27:59,640
perfectly honest I mean I didn't know if

618
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:02,600
this was some bizarre singular thing or

619
00:28:09,890 --> 00:28:05,940
what-have-you but then the floodgate

620
00:28:11,690 --> 00:28:09,900
kind of opened and it was remarkable on

621
00:28:13,700 --> 00:28:11,700
one hand and frightening of course on

622
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:13,710
the other because all these people were

623
00:28:19,390 --> 00:28:16,380
all of a sudden and a secondary man are

624
00:28:22,549 --> 00:28:19,400
confirming what had happened to me and

625
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:22,559
on one hand that's great because you you

626
00:28:27,169 --> 00:28:24,450
you want that kind of that kind of

627
00:28:29,570 --> 00:28:27,179
validation is is group is wonderful but

628
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:29,580
on the other hand it opens up this kind

629
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:32,250
of frightening Pandora's box of well

630
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:34,530
what are these things and what do they

631
00:28:38,570 --> 00:28:35,010
want

632
00:28:40,700 --> 00:28:38,580
so exactly and I'd love to ask you that

633
00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:40,710
question Brian humm before we get to the

634
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,590
propagation of the black-eyed kids and

635
00:28:47,750 --> 00:28:45,600
the stories that have followed and the

636
00:28:49,730 --> 00:28:47,760
stories that possibly came before what

637
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:49,740
in your heart of hearts do you believe

638
00:28:54,350 --> 00:28:52,890
you witnessed that night and ultimately

639
00:28:57,140 --> 00:28:54,360
became the story that you would tell

640
00:28:59,570 --> 00:28:57,150
what were these kids what do you think

641
00:29:01,340 --> 00:28:59,580
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663
00:29:57,740 --> 00:29:54,510
the big question isn't it well here's

664
00:30:01,910 --> 00:29:57,750
the thing and I would be lying if I if I

665
00:30:04,910 --> 00:30:01,920
could say that I know because I don't

666
00:30:09,140 --> 00:30:04,920
know I have heard 10,000 theories and

667
00:30:13,580 --> 00:30:09,150
have entertained 10,000 theories myself

668
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:13,590
everything from demons to of course the

669
00:30:18,470 --> 00:30:15,930
alien hybrids which you know I'm sure

670
00:30:21,410 --> 00:30:18,480
some of your listeners were lean that

671
00:30:24,740 --> 00:30:21,420
direction just all just all kinds of

672
00:30:27,260 --> 00:30:24,750
things and dark fairies extra

673
00:30:30,230 --> 00:30:27,270
dimensional beings you know just every

674
00:30:33,020 --> 00:30:30,240
every type of concept has been something

675
00:30:35,420 --> 00:30:33,030
that I've looked at and and and kind of

676
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:35,430
stroked my chin and whatnot and said

677
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:37,860
what are these all I can tell you is

678
00:30:45,170 --> 00:30:40,650
that I believe that they were a not

679
00:30:48,430 --> 00:30:45,180
human and be of malevolent intent and

680
00:30:51,590 --> 00:30:48,440
and not human to such a degree as to

681
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:51,600
somehow it seemed to me subtly warp

682
00:30:58,370 --> 00:30:54,840
reality around them kind of like the way

683
00:31:01,940 --> 00:30:58,380
that you know a black hole kind of warps

684
00:31:05,210 --> 00:31:01,950
things around it in a way I mean the

685
00:31:07,910 --> 00:31:05,220
they seem to kind of have this almost I

686
00:31:11,330 --> 00:31:07,920
don't know here-here words kind of fail

687
00:31:14,270 --> 00:31:11,340
I guess I've been asked before if I've

688
00:31:15,670 --> 00:31:14,280
experienced any other anomalous feelings

689
00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:15,680
when I was around them and the

690
00:31:20,500 --> 00:31:18,110
was kind of this sense of almost time

691
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:20,510
slowing a little bit

692
00:31:25,570 --> 00:31:22,760
I didn't hear traffic I didn't hear

693
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:25,580
other sounds that I would expect to hear

694
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:27,170
in the background it was sort of like

695
00:31:33,010 --> 00:31:30,770
everything just sort of zeroed in on on

696
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:33,020
this pair and I

697
00:31:39,220 --> 00:31:36,200
I guess if I had to say where I leaned I

698
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:39,230
I don't really lean toward the alien

699
00:31:44,740 --> 00:31:42,050
explanation I tend to lean towards some

700
00:31:48,130 --> 00:31:44,750
sort of extra dimensional old for a

701
00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:48,140
terrestrial perhaps kind of entity I

702
00:31:55,150 --> 00:31:51,070
guess would be the terminologies but

703
00:31:58,390 --> 00:31:55,160
beyond that I'm a stymied as anyone I've

704
00:32:00,460 --> 00:31:58,400
heard all kinds of folklore and all

705
00:32:03,820 --> 00:32:00,470
kinds of things like that that could

706
00:32:06,190 --> 00:32:03,830
possibly enter into the mixture but the

707
00:32:08,770 --> 00:32:06,200
most honest answer is simply I still

708
00:32:10,570 --> 00:32:08,780
don't know I think that's the best

709
00:32:13,150 --> 00:32:10,580
answer someone like you could possibly

710
00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:13,160
give I mean if we were to say for

711
00:32:19,060 --> 00:32:16,310
certain what these things are I mean who

712
00:32:19,570 --> 00:32:19,070
are we to make that assertion you know

713
00:32:21,210 --> 00:32:19,580
what I mean

714
00:32:24,610 --> 00:32:21,220
what what I think is interesting is that

715
00:32:26,050 --> 00:32:24,620
even to this day your story Brian has

716
00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:26,060
never changed and I think that's very

717
00:32:30,220 --> 00:32:27,830
important and I think that's what shows

718
00:32:33,730 --> 00:32:30,230
that's something truly anomalous

719
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:33,740
credible and actual happened to you now

720
00:32:40,150 --> 00:32:38,210
many skeptics and many people who who

721
00:32:42,430 --> 00:32:40,160
hear this story will say oh just a bunch

722
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:42,440
of teenagers with contacts now I know

723
00:32:45,970 --> 00:32:44,450
you've heard that a million times and

724
00:32:48,250 --> 00:32:45,980
I'm sure you're rolling your eyes right

725
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:48,260
now but in terms of that when the

726
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:49,970
skeptics come to you with something like

727
00:32:54,400 --> 00:32:52,490
this what do you say to their skeptics

728
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:54,410
now I know what you felt in the moment

729
00:32:58,900 --> 00:32:56,450
many of us have felt when we've had a

730
00:33:02,410 --> 00:32:58,910
UFO sighting or a shadow person

731
00:33:04,390 --> 00:33:02,420
encounter anything anything unusual that

732
00:33:06,910 --> 00:33:04,400
bends your perception of reality other

733
00:33:09,670 --> 00:33:06,920
things kicking you know things slow down

734
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:09,680
things speed up you don't hear certain

735
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:12,200
things all of this what do you say to

736
00:33:18,460 --> 00:33:14,330
the skeptics who say these were kids

737
00:33:21,430 --> 00:33:18,470
playing a prank on you well I have

738
00:33:25,150 --> 00:33:21,440
several things to say that if if indeed

739
00:33:26,419 --> 00:33:25,160
they did Don some contacts or have some

740
00:33:29,769 --> 00:33:26,429
contacts

741
00:33:33,109 --> 00:33:29,779
or something like that I find that to be

742
00:33:37,159 --> 00:33:33,119
highly suspect because first of all this

743
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:37,169
was 21 years ago and this was not the

744
00:33:41,710 --> 00:33:39,179
sort of thing that just a couple of kids

745
00:33:45,169 --> 00:33:41,720
would probably have on their person

746
00:33:46,999 --> 00:33:45,179
contacts like that were expensive they

747
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:47,009
were they were specialized you had to

748
00:33:53,239 --> 00:33:51,210
order them I had I I did this I mean I

749
00:33:56,029 --> 00:33:53,249
went and looked up seeing how much a

750
00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:56,039
pair of these contacts would cost and

751
00:34:00,919 --> 00:33:58,950
the cost was extremely in my opinion

752
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:00,929
prohibitive for a couple of kids who

753
00:34:07,700 --> 00:34:04,440
just wanted to to play a prank on me

754
00:34:12,399 --> 00:34:07,710
beyond that I mean all I can say is

755
00:34:14,930 --> 00:34:12,409
really what I saw and what I felt and

756
00:34:17,299 --> 00:34:14,940
the one thing I will say is that as a

757
00:34:20,569 --> 00:34:17,309
journalist I'm trained to notice details

758
00:34:23,659 --> 00:34:20,579
and I understand from interviewing

759
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:23,669
people for years that it's very easy for

760
00:34:29,629 --> 00:34:26,639
people to misinterpret data at some sort

761
00:34:32,059 --> 00:34:29,639
of a scene you can go up and ask them

762
00:34:34,190 --> 00:34:32,069
okay well what color was the car in the

763
00:34:37,399 --> 00:34:34,200
hit-and-run and some people will say

764
00:34:39,950 --> 00:34:37,409
it's green and some people will say it's

765
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:39,960
yellow and that guy over there says it's

766
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:42,990
red and that can that is a real thing

767
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:45,240
that could happen you know witnesses

768
00:34:51,619 --> 00:34:49,049
don't always properly correlate contents

769
00:34:54,139 --> 00:34:51,629
of what they've seen but from my

770
00:34:56,599 --> 00:34:54,149
perspective one of the things that we do

771
00:34:58,940 --> 00:34:56,609
is we train ourselves to do that we're

772
00:35:02,240 --> 00:34:58,950
supposed to notice details were supposed

773
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:02,250
to be able to recount things exactly as

774
00:35:09,710 --> 00:35:07,290
they transpired and even then am i I was

775
00:35:11,809 --> 00:35:09,720
fairly young at that point that had all

776
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:11,819
of that training I'd already worked as a

777
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:16,530
professional for for a while and just I

778
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:20,130
don't know all I can say is that I

779
00:35:26,809 --> 00:35:24,450
believe that's what I saw and I've even

780
00:35:30,609 --> 00:35:26,819
gone back to the movie theater actually

781
00:35:33,170 --> 00:35:30,619
with friends around the same time and

782
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:33,180
park in the same place and said okay you

783
00:35:40,130 --> 00:35:36,839
stand over there and I'm gonna look up

784
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:40,140
at the theater marquee and I'm going to

785
00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:40,710
see

786
00:35:47,420 --> 00:35:45,089
if we can recreate this somehow where my

787
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:47,430
eyes didn't adjust properly and what I

788
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:50,369
saw wasn't what what I thought I saw

789
00:35:54,470 --> 00:35:52,770
wasn't really what was happening see you

790
00:35:57,230 --> 00:35:54,480
see you stand there I stink you know

791
00:35:59,690 --> 00:35:57,240
I'll be here I'll look up at about the

792
00:36:03,020 --> 00:35:59,700
same time and all that can't recreate it

793
00:36:05,420 --> 00:36:03,030
I mean and I've I've done this probably

794
00:36:08,359 --> 00:36:05,430
two or three times actually since then

795
00:36:10,099 --> 00:36:08,369
just to try to satisfy for myself if

796
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:10,109
there was ever a point where I could

797
00:36:14,630 --> 00:36:11,579
recreate this I would get on the

798
00:36:17,540 --> 00:36:14,640
internet and say hey guess what I think

799
00:36:20,420 --> 00:36:17,550
this is what happened and I'd be happy

800
00:36:24,890 --> 00:36:20,430
to do that if I got an email from some

801
00:36:27,859 --> 00:36:24,900
guy who would probably be in his 30s now

802
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:27,869
who said hey that was my friend Justin

803
00:36:33,650 --> 00:36:31,410
and I and Justin forgot her money and we

804
00:36:36,079 --> 00:36:33,660
remember you and you were in a

805
00:36:38,990 --> 00:36:36,089
particular type of car or something like

806
00:36:40,990 --> 00:36:39,000
that or some other detail that only

807
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:41,000
someone who was there would have known

808
00:36:45,950 --> 00:36:44,010
then again the same thing I mean it

809
00:36:48,289 --> 00:36:45,960
would be like okay mystery solved

810
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:48,299
but I don't think I'm ever gonna be able

811
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:50,010
to do that and I don't think I'm ever

812
00:36:56,059 --> 00:36:53,369
gonna get that email either because I

813
00:36:58,640 --> 00:36:56,069
don't think that that's what I was

814
00:37:01,520 --> 00:36:58,650
seeing and experiencing I I think

815
00:37:05,690 --> 00:37:01,530
honestly that I experienced something

816
00:37:08,569 --> 00:37:05,700
truly anomalous and I've recounted it to

817
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:08,579
the best of my ability and with all of

818
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:10,650
the same journalistic ethics and

819
00:37:15,829 --> 00:37:12,569
integrity that I would with anything

820
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:15,839
else and I you know so I stand by the

821
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,770
story and I guess my my my deal two of

822
00:37:25,460 --> 00:37:21,660
them would be I'm sorry that you don't

823
00:37:27,260 --> 00:37:25,470
believe this I know that from a lot of

824
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:27,270
people's perspectives the only way that

825
00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:28,650
they're going to believe it is if it

826
00:37:32,780 --> 00:37:30,839
happens to them and then my response to

827
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:32,790
that would be I sincerely hope you don't

828
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,130
have to go through that exactly a lot of

829
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:37,200
people you know say oh I want to see a

830
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:39,210
UFO I want to see black eyed children

831
00:37:43,849 --> 00:37:41,490
until you're there in the moment man I

832
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:43,859
would assume no no one would ever want

833
00:37:48,049 --> 00:37:45,930
to go through something like this and

834
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,059
the other good point you make is that

835
00:37:52,549 --> 00:37:50,880
they weren't there when I when I

836
00:37:53,740 --> 00:37:52,559
interview people about their UFO

837
00:37:56,350 --> 00:37:53,750
sightings they're abduct

838
00:37:59,700 --> 00:37:56,360
experiences of course I'm always going

839
00:38:01,930 --> 00:37:59,710
to have that small sliver of judgment or

840
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:01,940
hesitancy when I hear it but when it

841
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:03,410
comes down to them and religious like

842
00:38:08,980 --> 00:38:06,290
you said as a responsible journalist you

843
00:38:11,380 --> 00:38:08,990
can't make that first judgment

844
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:11,390
immediately because we were not there

845
00:38:16,510 --> 00:38:14,090
and in that moment so I think that's

846
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:16,520
very important to keep in mind yeah it's

847
00:38:20,590 --> 00:38:17,930
interesting that you mentioned that I've

848
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,600
had people actually contact me and say

849
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:22,640
okay well we're gonna go to that movie

850
00:38:30,130 --> 00:38:27,650
theater what should we do and I my mind

851
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:30,140
boggles at this and I just write back to

852
00:38:34,900 --> 00:38:32,450
them and I say look I don't think that

853
00:38:36,610 --> 00:38:34,910
you understand what you're asking for I

854
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:36,620
don't think you're gonna understand what

855
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:38,510
you find if you actually have that

856
00:38:43,020 --> 00:38:41,330
experience but more over than that I

857
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:43,030
don't think anything's going to happen

858
00:38:49,570 --> 00:38:45,440
because that's not the way that this

859
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:49,580
happens I mean the most convincing and

860
00:38:57,070 --> 00:38:52,370
interesting stories to me are the things

861
00:39:00,160 --> 00:38:57,080
that happen just on a on a clear day so

862
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:00,170
to speak where people are not expecting

863
00:39:05,980 --> 00:39:04,070
or looking for anything anomalous where

864
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:05,990
you're going on the ghost hunt or you're

865
00:39:11,620 --> 00:39:09,020
are you or you go hang out in Roswell or

866
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:11,630
something like that you you know you're

867
00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:13,010
you're going there with an expectation

868
00:39:18,340 --> 00:39:16,250
that's pretty much going to not be met

869
00:39:22,650 --> 00:39:18,350
most of the time I would I would argue

870
00:39:25,660 --> 00:39:22,660
and so I I tell them well look I would

871
00:39:27,850 --> 00:39:25,670
if you have any sort of faith about you

872
00:39:30,490 --> 00:39:27,860
I take maybe some sort of icon that

873
00:39:31,930 --> 00:39:30,500
means something to you may help may not

874
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:31,940
I don't know

875
00:39:37,650 --> 00:39:35,030
other than that good luck sitting in a

876
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:37,660
parking lot for a couple of hours with

877
00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:42,200
with nothing occurring around you that's

878
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:43,250
a wonderful point

879
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:45,530
well Brian in terms of let's go back to

880
00:39:51,430 --> 00:39:47,210
the parking lot for a minute this is

881
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:51,440
very fascinating part of the Bek lore as

882
00:39:56,770 --> 00:39:54,290
it is now with all of these stories that

883
00:39:59,320 --> 00:39:56,780
are propagated it's this idea that they

884
00:40:00,790 --> 00:39:59,330
need to be invited in and you mentioned

885
00:40:03,610 --> 00:40:00,800
that they said that they can't come in

886
00:40:05,950 --> 00:40:03,620
your car unless you invite them in now

887
00:40:07,240 --> 00:40:05,960
in all the years that have passed and

888
00:40:09,340 --> 00:40:07,250
all the stories

889
00:40:11,590 --> 00:40:09,350
that have come from this initial

890
00:40:15,130 --> 00:40:11,600
experience that you had have you ever

891
00:40:18,070 --> 00:40:15,140
come across a story that you find

892
00:40:21,220 --> 00:40:18,080
credible where someone has invited them

893
00:40:22,780 --> 00:40:21,230
into a car or into a home has anything

894
00:40:25,540 --> 00:40:22,790
like that ever come to your attention

895
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,550
it's hard to say I've read a few things

896
00:40:30,820 --> 00:40:27,680
where people say that they invited them

897
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:30,830
in and they felt sick afterward or felt

898
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:33,440
like or felt drained or something like

899
00:40:45,180 --> 00:40:34,190
that

900
00:40:48,730 --> 00:40:45,190
wife who allegedly let them in and he

901
00:40:51,220 --> 00:40:48,740
suffered some sort of birds or illness

902
00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:51,230
or something like that akin to radiation

903
00:40:56,110 --> 00:40:53,690
sickness I mean I think people have

904
00:40:59,470 --> 00:40:56,120
probably seen that one floating around

905
00:41:03,310 --> 00:40:59,480
out there it's it's really that's really

906
00:41:05,830 --> 00:41:03,320
interesting and the thing is I I don't

907
00:41:09,100 --> 00:41:05,840
know that I've ever heard

908
00:41:12,370 --> 00:41:09,110
I mean I knew one fellow who lived in

909
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:12,380
Portland Oregon who claimed that not he

910
00:41:19,570 --> 00:41:16,610
let them in but that another guy did in

911
00:41:22,300 --> 00:41:19,580
his presence and the guy was supposedly

912
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:22,310
in a car accident and was killed but

913
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:24,890
that's completely apocryphal to me I

914
00:41:31,870 --> 00:41:27,440
have not done the background research

915
00:41:34,270 --> 00:41:31,880
necessary to confirm that and I don't

916
00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:34,280
even know I know the name of the

917
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:36,770
reporting party who I haven't been in

918
00:41:43,900 --> 00:41:40,970
touch with in a decade or so but I don't

919
00:41:45,930 --> 00:41:43,910
know the name of the victim and so I

920
00:41:48,610 --> 00:41:45,940
would have to have that to even begin to

921
00:41:51,550 --> 00:41:48,620
start to drill down to see if there was

922
00:41:54,130 --> 00:41:51,560
any truth to that and that's not been

923
00:41:56,290 --> 00:41:54,140
something I've done so honestly there

924
00:41:58,870 --> 00:41:56,300
are plenty are stories out there people

925
00:42:03,700 --> 00:41:58,880
letting them in now a couple of them

926
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:03,710
have potential UFO ties to admin and

927
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:05,810
black and that sort of thing because I

928
00:42:11,710 --> 00:42:09,470
think in the one with the fellow with

929
00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:11,720
the radiation sickness and that sort of

930
00:42:15,099 --> 00:42:12,290
thing

931
00:42:18,279 --> 00:42:15,109
they hung they hung out there and

932
00:42:20,709 --> 00:42:18,289
and I believe a black car or something

933
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:20,719
like that drove up and someone came to

934
00:42:27,699 --> 00:42:23,930
get them and whatnot and so we get into

935
00:42:30,819 --> 00:42:27,709
MIB territory I guess there but as far

936
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:30,829
as definitive this is what happens if

937
00:42:36,309 --> 00:42:33,920
you let them in no because I think for

938
00:42:38,559 --> 00:42:36,319
the most part if you let them in we

939
00:42:40,809 --> 00:42:38,569
don't hear from you yeah that's a very

940
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:40,819
good point and I don't even want to go

941
00:42:44,650 --> 00:42:43,640
down that rabbit hole a little too scary

942
00:42:47,890 --> 00:42:44,660
for my taste

943
00:42:50,650 --> 00:42:47,900
pop culture this BK's have become such a

944
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:50,660
part of horror movies of you know

945
00:42:55,150 --> 00:42:52,880
literature of everything we can possibly

946
00:42:58,440 --> 00:42:55,160
think of at this point you know anyone

947
00:43:01,449 --> 00:42:58,450
with a I phone can go shoot a small

948
00:43:03,279 --> 00:43:01,459
YouTube video about their encounter with

949
00:43:04,779 --> 00:43:03,289
the black-eyed kids even a comic book

950
00:43:06,969 --> 00:43:04,789
you know has recently come out from

951
00:43:10,479 --> 00:43:06,979
after shot comics what do you think of

952
00:43:13,329 --> 00:43:10,489
the rise of the Bek s within pop culture

953
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,339
as opposed to the actual phenomenon

954
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:15,920
happening well let me tell you about

955
00:43:22,569 --> 00:43:18,890
that about my first encounter with that

956
00:43:24,969 --> 00:43:22,579
comic book we we had a bookstore here

957
00:43:27,039 --> 00:43:24,979
until fairly recently called Hastings

958
00:43:29,079 --> 00:43:27,049
it's a chain that's that's common around

959
00:43:32,559 --> 00:43:29,089
here they they closed the whole thing

960
00:43:36,039 --> 00:43:32,569
recently but they sold everything books

961
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,049
comics DVDs all that sort of thing so I

962
00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:38,839
walked in one day my wife and I and we

963
00:43:45,809 --> 00:43:40,880
were just going to hang out in the

964
00:43:48,519 --> 00:43:45,819
coffee shop there and I read comics I'm

965
00:43:53,229 --> 00:43:48,529
didn't you read graphic novels I prefer

966
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:53,239
to call them but they're comics so

967
00:43:58,180 --> 00:43:55,609
anyway I walked over there and right

968
00:44:00,489 --> 00:43:58,190
next to the Betty and Veronica and

969
00:44:05,319 --> 00:44:00,499
Captain America I see

970
00:44:08,559 --> 00:44:05,329
Bek s and it's I took a step back and I

971
00:44:11,739 --> 00:44:08,569
said that can't be and I picked it up

972
00:44:14,229 --> 00:44:11,749
and sure enough it was and again I kind

973
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:14,239
of felt reality bend a little bit

974
00:44:21,759 --> 00:44:17,690
because it's like okay when is when is

975
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:21,769
this going to end it's in a way and and

976
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:23,569
it was the first issue of it and I

977
00:44:26,829 --> 00:44:25,249
bought it and to be honest I haven't

978
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:26,839
even cracked the thing because I'm

979
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:29,050
worried I'm a character and

980
00:44:36,820 --> 00:44:33,590
I wouldn't doubt that but yeah this

981
00:44:39,570 --> 00:44:36,830
started I guess probably 15 years ago

982
00:44:42,250 --> 00:44:39,580
where we started seeing these blood

983
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:42,260
whenever we want to represent an alien

984
00:44:47,740 --> 00:44:45,230
whenever we want to represent a vampire

985
00:44:51,790 --> 00:44:47,750
or someone who's possessed or something

986
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:51,800
like that in movies TV other popular

987
00:44:58,960 --> 00:44:55,370
media as you say there there are the

988
00:45:01,480 --> 00:44:58,970
black eyes and I'll say this and I've

989
00:45:04,420 --> 00:45:01,490
told people this before every time I see

990
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:04,430
that no matter what it's in if it's in a

991
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:08,480
movie or just something on TV or what

992
00:45:14,470 --> 00:45:11,810
have you even a video on YouTube or

993
00:45:17,350 --> 00:45:14,480
something like that and I see the eyes

994
00:45:21,780 --> 00:45:17,360
and whatnot there's still that twinge of

995
00:45:25,090 --> 00:45:21,790
fear that starts even even now okay and

996
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:25,100
yeah they have absolutely this image has

997
00:45:29,710 --> 00:45:27,290
absolutely proliferated in popular

998
00:45:32,590 --> 00:45:29,720
culture there is no doubt about that

999
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:32,600
and I don't know if the story these

1000
00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:34,970
early stories or the origin or if it's

1001
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:37,190
just some sort of almost archetypal

1002
00:45:42,730 --> 00:45:40,370
thing that's manifesting itself through

1003
00:45:47,170 --> 00:45:42,740
art literature's these things often do

1004
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:47,180
so I look at that and I just I I do

1005
00:45:54,730 --> 00:45:51,200
marvel at how much it has spread through

1006
00:45:58,630 --> 00:45:54,740
pop culture and horror and all of that

1007
00:46:01,240 --> 00:45:58,640
sort of thing and I both find it

1008
00:46:04,690 --> 00:46:01,250
interesting and also a little bit

1009
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:04,700
terrifying I guess I mean I don't really

1010
00:46:08,650 --> 00:46:06,650
know how to explain that

1011
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:08,660
I mean it's terrifying personally but

1012
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:11,240
also it's just it's kind of like these

1013
00:46:18,250 --> 00:46:14,690
these images are in front of people and

1014
00:46:21,910 --> 00:46:18,260
even to some degree images have power to

1015
00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:21,920
them and I often wonder kind of what's

1016
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:24,250
going on there and and that may be

1017
00:46:29,860 --> 00:46:28,010
adding too much to it but I you know I

1018
00:46:33,190 --> 00:46:29,870
certainly find it in at a personal level

1019
00:46:35,590 --> 00:46:33,200
sinister and look at the least so yeah

1020
00:46:37,750 --> 00:46:35,600
it is interesting it's like feeding the

1021
00:46:39,730 --> 00:46:37,760
beast man is it that is this idea of the

1022
00:46:42,240 --> 00:46:39,740
tapa you know you can wish something

1023
00:46:44,310 --> 00:46:42,250
into to existing

1024
00:46:46,730 --> 00:46:44,320
and you have to wonder the more we talk

1025
00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:46,740
about the beacon is the more that people

1026
00:46:52,080 --> 00:46:49,840
spread these stories are we manifesting

1027
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:52,090
the phenomenon it's a question I ask on

1028
00:46:58,200 --> 00:46:55,090
my show all the time we may never know

1029
00:47:00,570 --> 00:46:58,210
that answer but I guess my next question

1030
00:47:03,570 --> 00:47:00,580
for you would be sort of confessional

1031
00:47:06,690 --> 00:47:03,580
time on your end if you had the chance

1032
00:47:09,150 --> 00:47:06,700
to go back to that night would you have

1033
00:47:11,010 --> 00:47:09,160
done anything differently or would you

1034
00:47:11,640 --> 00:47:11,020
wish that this thing never happened to

1035
00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:11,650
you Brian

1036
00:47:18,380 --> 00:47:15,160
well it's interesting I don't think I

1037
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:18,390
would wish then it had never happened

1038
00:47:23,070 --> 00:47:20,650
which you would think would be a kind of

1039
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,080
a logical thing but I mean I've had

1040
00:47:28,680 --> 00:47:25,980
other anomalous experiences before and

1041
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:28,690
this is probably the crowning one

1042
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:31,810
certainly but everything that you

1043
00:47:37,860 --> 00:47:33,910
encounter like this teaches you

1044
00:47:39,810 --> 00:47:37,870
something about yourself I think and at

1045
00:47:43,110 --> 00:47:39,820
the time I was actually going through

1046
00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:43,120
kind of a period of I guess a whole lot

1047
00:47:49,470 --> 00:47:46,720
of internal wrangling with certain

1048
00:47:52,770 --> 00:47:49,480
issues I mean of everything from

1049
00:47:54,390 --> 00:47:52,780
spirituality to self and not that I

1050
00:47:56,940 --> 00:47:54,400
think that these things were necessarily

1051
00:48:00,030 --> 00:47:56,950
a manifestation of that but in the way

1052
00:48:02,580 --> 00:48:00,040
that synchronicity and whatnot tends to

1053
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:02,590
work I guess and I'm a big believer in

1054
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:04,330
that you know the the meaningful

1055
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:07,480
coincidence I I think it was necessary

1056
00:48:13,650 --> 00:48:10,810
that I that I experienced this just just

1057
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:13,660
then at a personal level if I could go

1058
00:48:20,550 --> 00:48:16,690
back to the time and actually do

1059
00:48:24,180 --> 00:48:20,560
something different I would hope that I

1060
00:48:27,180 --> 00:48:24,190
could maybe with conscious thought

1061
00:48:28,590 --> 00:48:27,190
tempered down some of that fear response

1062
00:48:31,350 --> 00:48:28,600
although I'm not sure that I actually

1063
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:31,360
could I mean just simply the way that it

1064
00:48:37,770 --> 00:48:36,370
all worked out but I would I mean I'll

1065
00:48:40,170 --> 00:48:37,780
admit that I have an insatiable

1066
00:48:42,150 --> 00:48:40,180
curiosity to know what they were and

1067
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:42,160
what they wanted and that sort of thing

1068
00:48:48,090 --> 00:48:44,890
so if there was any way to even glean

1069
00:48:50,460 --> 00:48:48,100
the barest extra shred of information

1070
00:48:52,860 --> 00:48:50,470
about that I certainly would have

1071
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:52,870
welcomed that but but then again I mean

1072
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:53,770
you know

1073
00:48:58,770 --> 00:48:56,410
it happened the way it happened and I

1074
00:49:01,590 --> 00:48:58,780
think that it happened naturally my

1075
00:49:05,310 --> 00:49:01,600
gratitude for it is that for whatever

1076
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:05,320
reason whether it was something my brain

1077
00:49:10,110 --> 00:49:08,410
was unconsciously doing to help me

1078
00:49:13,260 --> 00:49:10,120
quote-unquote break the spell or

1079
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:13,270
whatever or just fortune I mean I think

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that when I looked away that's when

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whatever this connection that was forged

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between me and these entities sort of

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either broke or weakened enough that I

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was able to to see capital our reality

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00:49:31,770 --> 00:49:29,950
I guess so that's so that's the thing I

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would I would hope wouldn't change and

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it really kind of had to happen in the

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00:49:40,950 --> 00:49:36,250
chronology it did for all that to to

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transpire so yeah it seems like you you

1090
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pierce the veil and you caught a glimpse

1091
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of something whatever that something

1092
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:47,800
might be we may never know but I think

1093
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:49,930
that's okay you know that that drive to

1094
00:49:54,930 --> 00:49:52,810
that curiosity to want to know what

1095
00:49:56,850 --> 00:49:54,940
happened to you but maybe never getting

1096
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:56,860
that answer that's something I struggle

1097
00:50:01,680 --> 00:49:58,390
with all the time you know will we ever

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00:50:03,660 --> 00:50:01,690
know if UFOs have visited the planet you

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00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:03,670
know aside from the question of is life

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00:50:08,040 --> 00:50:06,010
out there have they been here have they

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communicated with us and what is going

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on with all of this all of these topics

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that we find interesting that's what

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00:50:19,650 --> 00:50:16,030
keeps me going even though I'm I've kind

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00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,660
of accepted that we may never know so as

1106
00:50:24,330 --> 00:50:22,240
depressing as that may sound it it also

1107
00:50:26,460 --> 00:50:24,340
keeps me going so in terms of that Brian

1108
00:50:28,260 --> 00:50:26,470
what do you do we know if people want to

1109
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:28,270
learn more about what you're what you're

1110
00:50:32,160 --> 00:50:29,890
doing what you're working on

1111
00:50:33,810 --> 00:50:32,170
is there somewhere we can find you find

1112
00:50:35,550 --> 00:50:33,820
you and your work if you want to find my

1113
00:50:38,730 --> 00:50:35,560
professional work that's pretty easy to

1114
00:50:41,250 --> 00:50:38,740
find on the Internet although if you

1115
00:50:44,040 --> 00:50:41,260
really want to read local city council

1116
00:50:46,290 --> 00:50:44,050
coverage I'm not so sure a separate

1117
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:46,300
email account for people who want to

1118
00:50:51,930 --> 00:50:48,900
talk to me specifically about Bek s and

1119
00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:51,940
just trying to quest around for a name I

1120
00:50:59,820 --> 00:50:56,110
called it Bek reports at gmail.com so

1121
00:51:05,910 --> 00:50:59,830
that's Bek spelled out reports with an S

1122
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:05,920
at gmail.com and I am happy to talk to

1123
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:06,970
people

1124
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:08,950
to their experiences and whatnot there

1125
00:51:13,710 --> 00:51:11,260
was kind of a point in time in the past

1126
00:51:17,160 --> 00:51:13,720
where I sort of took a break from all

1127
00:51:19,050 --> 00:51:17,170
this I guess but kind of a few years ago

1128
00:51:22,500 --> 00:51:19,060
at the encouragement of my wife and some

1129
00:51:25,290 --> 00:51:22,510
other people I decided to to jump back

1130
00:51:27,690 --> 00:51:25,300
in and any stories and any information

1131
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:27,700
people want to share is extremely

1132
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:30,490
welcome well I'm happy you did jump back

1133
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,370
in Bryan because it's clear something

1134
00:51:39,210 --> 00:51:35,920
truly strange happened to you and

1135
00:51:41,250 --> 00:51:39,220
terrifying and just otherworldly and I

1136
00:51:43,860 --> 00:51:41,260
can tell you right now man I'm glad that

1137
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:43,870
I wasn't in your shoes or in your car

1138
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:46,330
that night so I have to thank you for

1139
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:47,890
breaking this all down for us

1140
00:51:52,410 --> 00:51:49,810
today and for joining me on somewhere in

1141
00:51:54,660 --> 00:51:52,420
the skies thank you very much all right

1142
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:54,670
well this week's main episode has come

1143
00:51:58,260 --> 00:51:55,480
to an end

1144
00:52:00,780 --> 00:51:58,270
but the stories of the Bek s certainly

1145
00:52:03,240 --> 00:52:00,790
haven't join me on a special bonus

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1148
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I recount - Bek encounters that stretch

1149
00:52:17,310 --> 00:52:14,260
much much further back than the 1996

1150
00:52:19,620 --> 00:52:17,320
encounter with Brian Bethel also you'll

1151
00:52:22,020 --> 00:52:19,630
hear a story Brian told after the

1152
00:52:24,090 --> 00:52:22,030
interview about a ghostly encounter that

1153
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:24,100
preceded his black-eyed kiddok

1154
00:52:28,860 --> 00:52:26,650
experience also Brian mentioned a story

1155
00:52:31,470 --> 00:52:28,870
in the interview about a couple who did

1156
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:31,480
indeed but the Bek s into their home

1157
00:52:36,750 --> 00:52:34,210
what happened next was terrifyingly

1158
00:52:39,510 --> 00:52:36,760
recounted in a letter written to Greg

1159
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:39,520
and Dana Newkirk of Planet weird you'll

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00:52:44,250 --> 00:52:41,770
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00:53:39,870 --> 00:53:37,600
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00:53:42,300 --> 00:53:39,880
today and I am wishing each and every

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00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:42,310
one of you a very happy Halloween this

1186
00:53:47,700 --> 00:53:45,010
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1187
00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:47,710
UFOs next week with a very special

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00:53:52,650 --> 00:53:49,510
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1189
00:53:55,110 --> 00:53:52,660
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00:53:57,240 --> 00:53:55,120
to date I'll see you here next Sunday

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00:53:59,340 --> 00:53:57,250
and remember keep your feet on the

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ground but never stop searching

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00:54:07,110 --> 00:54:04,480
of God please don't ever let a

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00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:08,820
you've been warned

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